If this 353rd mass shooting had been committed by Bob from Accounting instead of Syed, Republicans would have already told us to move on and would have forgotten about it.
There is really nothing to say anymore.
Two more dead bodies. Two more families crying. Friends mourning. Bodies buried. Soon to be nothing more than a statistic to most people.
Sympathies sent. So sorry. Nothing to be done. Could have happened to anyone. But it didn’t. It happened to you.
Your family just won the deadly national lottery this time. No money. Just pain to carry with you forever. Empty chair at holidays. A dinner plate left in the cupboard.
If this were a warzone, you’d get a state burial and flag, but it’s the greatest country on Earth, so you get nothing. Unless one of your neighbors brings you a casserole.
Don’t politicize it.
Don’t blame the gun.
I don’t. I blame the apologists. I blame the co-conspirators. I blame the accomplices that made it so easy for angry young men and women to arm themselves with the engine of death. Death dealing is profitable, so the cycle goes on.
A lottery with no winners, but the ones that profit from human misery.
Nothing more to say.
God damn it all.
We need to stop this madness and pass stricter gun laws to try and stop these nihilists and lunatics from getting weapons that can kill dozens of people.
Well, what about knives or cars? He could have easily killed that many people with knives and cars as he could with a gun!
No, he couldn’t. Unless you’re a ninja or a circus performer, killing someone with a knife requires you to be up close and personal or take someone by surprise. Meaning once the first body or two hit the floor, everyone could run away from the man with bloody hands.
It’s also much easier to defend against a knife than it is a gun.
And cars have a hard time going up stairs or getting into buildings.
Gun laws won’t stop every lunatic from getting a gun.
So we shouldn’t try and stop any of them?
That’s not what I’m saying, but, ah… look at Chicago and Washington DC! They have strict gun laws and a high rate of gun violence!
Yes, because it’s rather easy to leave the city limits and go get a gun where it’s easier to buy one. That is the point of calling for NATIONAL legislation that would tighten gun laws.
But the Second Amendment!?
Very few people are calling for a general gun ban. Most of us just want Congress to start dealing with the part of the amendment that calls for a “Well-Regulated” militia. That’s the part that the NRA and you guys seem to skip when quoting the 2nd amendment.
But if they take all of our guns, what will happen when America becomes a dictatorship?
That seems unlikely outside of a Red Dawn type fantasy, but if it happened, then, then I guess we’ll have to attack the military with knives and cars which you say can do just as much damage as a gun, right?
Or, you know, we’re not actually talking about taking all of your guns. So you’ll still have your shotgun and .45 to protect you from a Predator drone strike.
Well, if everyone were armed, there’d be no gun massacres there. It’s gun free zones that are the problem!
Leaving aside that Oregon allows people with concealed carry permits to carry on campus and that those who were decided not to intervene because they were too far away or didn’t want to be accidentally shot by police mistakenly believing they were the active shooter, and aside from the idea that somehow unleashing the amateur Dirty Harrys, Barney Fifes, and George Zimmermans among us will result in safer streets, and aside from the confusion it will cause the police in knowing which of the people with guns they should be shooting, and aside from the wisdom of having a shootout in a crowded theater or restaurant or even open space where bullets don’t know when to stop if they miss the target, we should probably note that despite being a rather heavily armed group of men and women, the United States army still loses many soldiers to gun fire as they patrol hostile, gun filled areas.
You can be armed and trained and still die before you even know you should draw your weapon.
What about home defense? Or the zombie apocalypse?
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING AWAY YOUR GOD DAMNED GUNS, OKAY?! Keep your guns secured. Keep them out of the hands of toddlers and children. Don’t carry them into Chipotle. In short, be responsible.
We simply want to try and stop these nihilists and lunatics from getting their hands on weapons that can easily kill dozens of people very quickly without warning.
And if the zombie apocalypse happens, there will be an awful lot of zombies who died because of a yahoo with a gun who will probably be pissed about it. Good luck with them.
Yet another isolated incident.
But this isn’t about guns, because it’s never about guns. And it’s definitely not about race, because it’s never about race.
God damn it.
After less than a minute of debate, the Senate gave final passage Tuesday to a controversial bill to reinstate the firing squad as an execution method.
The Senate voted 18-10 to pass HB11, and sent it to Gov. Gary Herbert for his signature. It earlier passed the House 39-34, with just one vote to spare after intense debate that focused mainly on whether to abolish the death penalty.
HB11 allows using a firing squad if the drug cocktail necessary for lethal injection is not available at least 30 days before a scheduled execution. Foreign manufacturers of the drugs used in lethal injection have worked to prevent their use in executions.
It may come as a surprise, but I support this. Oh, I’m completely against the death penalty at this point. It’s wasteful, flawed, and the legal system has put innocent men on death row and executed at least one of them.
But if America insists on reserving the right to kill its citizens, I’m all in favor of making it less sanitized and less detached.
I mean ideally, we’d give the prisoner enough Xanax to make him very relaxed, drag him out behind a shed and put two in the back of his skull. No clean needles. No dignity in death. Just brutal, visceral violence, preferably broadcast live on TV on the major networks.
Drag it out into the light.
I find it necessary to remind everyone that if your ‘god’ requires you to kill people on his behalf, he is both a wicked monster and impotent.
I think it’s very interesting that according to conservative media, saying, “Hey, maybe the police should stop killing unarmed black men and ask themselves why the black community views them with suspicion” is directly responsible for the deaths of two police officers, while several months ago, it was simply a tragedy that an officer died and the perpetrators were simply a violent and mentally ill couple and that in no way reflected on the anti-government groups and rhetoric they were associated with and believed in.
I wonder why that is…
I recall when we used to drive down periodically to Mexico, that we’d be warned to avoid the Federalies and carry a bit of extra cash to ‘gift’ them with if they stopped us.
Guess we should probably start doing that for cross country road trips in case we run into cops like this.
If someone with a gun stops you and takes your money — would you call police? What if the person who takes your money also has a badge?
Some people in Humboldt County, tongue-in-cheek, call it “highway robbery.”
One deputy in particular is being singled out for his practice of pressuring travelers to abandon their money or face losing their cars as well. The I-Team has obtained exclusive dash-cam video from one of these drug interdiction stops. While no drugs were found, that didn’t stop the deputy from grabbing the cash.
“How much money you got?” Humboldt County Deputy Lee Dove can be heard asking on the video.
Dove can be seen dropping cash on the hood of the car.
Deputy Dove: “That’s not yours, is it?”
Motorist: “That’s mine.”
Deputy Dove: “Well, I’m seizing it.”
The dash-cam video gives insight into what some say is a pattern of questionable drug interdiction stops by Deputy Dove along I-80 near Winnemucca in northern Nevada.
The out-of-state motorist was stopped for doing 78 mph in an 75 mph zone. Deputy Dove finds $50,000 cash and $10,000 in cashiers checks during a search of the car.
The first issue is whether Dove obtained permission to search the car or whether he simply told the driver, Tan Nguyen, he was going to do it.
Deputy Dove: “Well, I’m gonna search that vehicle first, ok?”
Nguyen: “Hey, what’s the reason you’re searching my car?”
Deputy Dove: “Because I’m talking to you … well, no, I don’t have to explain that to you. I’m not going to explain that to you, but I am gonna put my drug dog on that (pointing to money). If my dog alerts, I’m seizing the money. You can try to get it back but you’re not.”
Nguyen: (inaudible) got it in Vegas.”
Deputy Dove: “Good luck proving it. Good luck proving it. You’ll burn it up in attorney fees before we give it back to you.”
But Dove never seizes the money under state forfeiture law, instead he offers Nguyen a deal. Abandon the cash and you can leave with the cashiers checks. Otherwise, Dove will confiscate the cash anyway and tow the car because Nguyen’s name isn’t on the rental agreement.
Deputy Dove: “It’s your call. If you want to walk away, you can take the cashiers checks, the car and everything and you can bolt and you’re on your way. But you’re gonna be walking away from this money and abandoning it.
“Our sheriff and our DA have said there’s no wrongdoing here,” said Dee Holzel.
Of course there isn’t. Though, somehow I doubt you’d feel the same way if Mr. Nguyen had been accosted outside of a casino by an armed guy in a suit who asked Nguyen to leave his cash with him or else he’d be in for a load of pain.
Hard to see what the difference between that scenario and this one is.
A child… a bloody child… takes his parents’ gun, shoots two students, kills a teacher who intervenes, and then turns the gun on himself destroying his young life forever and leaving misery for his family and the families of his victims in his wake.
Speculation is that he was being bullied.
Now a kid is dead by his own hand, along with a teacher because the kid was able to act out his pain and irrational impulses with the power of a gun. A gun he apparently had easy access to.
Two more into the fire for Molech.
3 dead, 4 wounded at an Elks Lodge. Some of the carnage may have resulted from a second shooter returning fire.
That would make this the third such isolated incident in the span of a week. Nothing to see here folks, move along. I’m sure two men fighting it out with knives would have taken out just as many other people.